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I Am The Fear · Mar 11, 2011, 01:56 AM // 01:56

/signed I always thought they should have one

epervier · Mar 11, 2011, 05:57 PM // 17:57

I'm tired that all of the male rangers look nearly exactly the same! lets allow some personallity and uniqueness for our characters.
/signed!

edit: The only way this idea would work is that Ascalon City in post-searing ALSO got this update. Otherwise, when a character sears, they'll no longer be able to change costumes until they reach Lion's Arch. And that would piss me off.
Thanks, Mike.

Erasculio · Mar 11, 2011, 06:10 PM // 18:10

At his wiki page, John Stumme mentioned he would like to see a poll about whether people would mind having a costume maker in Pre-Searing. Since he's the main GW1 designer, I think it's a good idea to make such poll. The admins will add the poll itself here sortly, but in the mean time the options would be:

1) I would like costume makers in Pre-Searing.

2) I wouldn't use them, but I wouldn't be bothered if they were added.

3) I think ArenaNet should not add costume makers to Pre-Searing.

Erasculio

Pleikki · Mar 11, 2011, 06:36 PM // 18:36

Sure why not, i dont see any problem on adding em for pre also? would be cool lil add for pre i guess with all the other things theyve added recently

**cosyfiep** · Mar 11, 2011, 06:45 PM // 18:45

since JOHN asked ---I added the poll (crude answers, but hey its my first poll

)
and yeah I would like to see a costume maker in pre since they never plan to fix my necro's clipping armor issues!

Neo Nugget · Mar 11, 2011, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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Originally Posted by drunk n angry

i disagree in my opinion i think it would ruin the pre experience. you dont want to see people running around in pre with "elite" looking anything. its pre for pete's sake.

People already have black dye, rare mini-pets, max pre-order weapons and max titles in pre. Adding in a costume crafter (along with a festival hat NPC) would certainly not take away from the "pre experience".

/signed

AngelWJedi · Mar 11, 2011, 07:11 PM // 19:11

/signed

it doesnt hurt the game play in pre. would be nice to be able to get costumes so i can stop seeing clones of myself walking around. and what makes you think they didnt have parties in pre? from what i can remember it was kinda peaceful and a happy time then until the searing.

Hobbs · Mar 11, 2011, 08:34 PM // 20:34

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

Festivals do not take place in pre-Searing, and thus I see no reason to add NPCs for handing out festival gear.

Event drops exist in pre searing. I don't see why costumes shouldn't

/signed

Xslash · Mar 11, 2011, 08:44 PM // 20:44

/signed.

i want to know about the ppl who voted no.

would you vote no to all costumes anywhere?

have you purchased any costumes?

because it seems like, if you pay $10 or w/e for a costume, u'd want to use it as often as possible.

my assumption is people that don't have the costume and don't like other people having stuff they don't have are the ppl that vote no.

MithranArkanere · Mar 11, 2011, 09:05 PM // 21:05

Many People like to roleplay in Pre.

Costumes and masks help people disguise, and that helps roleplaying.

And the only costume that is has some... 'lore incosistencies' is the White Mantle one, although the White Mantle was established before the Searing, it's not likely they ever got to Ascalon, but seeing as collectors have Krytan armor, they perfectly could.

The rest are rather generic.

The gods where known before the Searing.
The mad king, undead and liches (like Palawa Joko) existed before the searing.
Weddings could have perfectly being a common thing in Ascalon for a long time.
As for the shinning blade costume, the emblem is quite subtle, disguised as a dagger-brooch.

The only reasons I can think against it are not lore reasons.
Only motivations from envy against those that have them, a tantrum against ANet for not doing the things they want, being a retrogade that is against any and all changes that differ from the GW of 2005 (the kind of guy that was against Nicholas Sandford and the new drops from charr), or just plain malice.

RedDog91 · Mar 11, 2011, 11:03 PM // 23:03

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

Festivals do not take place in pre-Searing, and thus I see no reason to add NPCs for handing out festival gear.

This.
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Erasculio · Mar 12, 2011, 12:34 AM // 00:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosyfiep

since JOHN asked ---I added the poll (crude answers, but hey its my first poll

)

Yep, and the poll pretty much missed the point, too. John was specifically asking if people would be bothered by having a costume maker in Pre-Searing, not if they simply wouldn't use one. The current poll has no difference between someone who would not use a costume maker and someone who would burn his copy of GW if a costume maker were added to Pre-Searing.

Erasculio

**cosyfiep** · Mar 12, 2011, 01:17 AM // 01:17

sorry....but I do believe that people have been replying with information about whether they believe it would bother them as well.

Sir Mad · Mar 12, 2011, 10:25 AM // 10:25

/not signed

Looking like a newb is one of the things I enjoy the most in Pre. I don't want my precious to become a fashion parade.

Lasai · Mar 12, 2011, 12:27 PM // 12:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xslash

/signed.

i want to know about the ppl who voted no.

would you vote no to all costumes anywhere?

have you purchased any costumes?

because it seems like, if you pay $10 or w/e for a costume, u'd want to use it as often as possible.

my assumption is people that don't have the costume and don't like other people having stuff they don't have are the ppl that vote no.

I have every costume they have offered. I voted no. Pre is a closed world and should remain so.. elements of the white mantle, shining blade, mad king's court and such don't really fit into the past.

However, the rage from those who just have to have 6-7 identical toons from multiple accts standing around would be amusing.

Shadow Sentinel · Mar 12, 2011, 02:24 PM // 14:24

+1 to the previous post.

I have all the costumes, and I don't want to see them in Pre. Ironically, before I had the costumes, I would have liked to see them around.

Pre is getting Postified enough (too much) as it is. And as someone else mentioned, there aren't costume or hat guys in Post-searing Ascalon either.

Besides, how could I show off my '250K armor' in Pre if it's covered up?

Ascended Furling · Mar 12, 2011, 03:49 PM // 15:49

No reason why costumes can not be in pre. I would like it verry much.

Also i want a costume maker in the guildhall and a kick hengemen from guild hall option.

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Originally Posted by Lasai

Pre is a closed world and should remain so.. elements of the white mantle, shining blade, mad king's court and such don't really fit into the past.

We have costume makers in Shing Jea and Kamadan. No white mantle there.... so who cares. And there are all kinds of mini's that are not walking around in pre. Do they have to be removed to because some mini's dont fit in the past?

Ugh · Mar 12, 2011, 08:02 PM // 20:02

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Originally Posted by Ascended Furling

We have costume makers in Shing Jea and Kamadan. No white mantle there.... so who cares.

They actually existed then, though, and people can travel to those areas from areas where they did exist and bring their crap with them. People rompin' around with White Mantle gear before White Mantle existed would be weird; people rompin' around with White Mantle gear in an area where there are no White Mantle is not really weird.

I don't actually care about lore or see it as a good basis for most decisions, but, if lore matters to the folks in charge, your argument is invalid.

Quote:

And there are all kinds of mini's that are not walking around in pre. Do they have to be removed to because some mini's dont fit in the past?

Minis can't be removed and presents can't be selectively distributed, so that is invalid as well. Actually, this whole comparison is invalid for obvious reasons.

Personally, I'd prefer not to have costumes because it would ruin the lovely simplicity of pre much more than minis and tonics have, and it just make it look more like post. I already hate seeing wings and flaming heads in post, so it would be even worse seeing them in pre. Festival hats wouldn't be as bad, but meh.

Also, making a bunch of dyeable things suddenly available would seriously inflate the dye economy, but whether that's a good or bad thing is subjective, I suppose.

MithranArkanere · Mar 13, 2011, 12:24 AM // 00:24

Note that White Mantle formed at 1070, the same year when the Searing Happened.
It was not 'before they existed' it was 'around the time they were formed'.

The last Guild War ended, and then the Charr attacked Orr, Kryta and Ascalon.

And then the Searing and the Rise of the White Mantle happened, but I couldn't find which one of these two happened first.
One year later, in 1071, the Great Cataclysm happened in Arah, and in 1072 is when happens the Great Northern Wall mission.
By the time of the Great Cataclysm, the White Mantle were already in power.

Ugh · Mar 13, 2011, 01:55 AM // 01:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Note that White Mantle formed at 1070, the same year when the Searing Happened.
It was not 'before they existed' it was 'around the time they were formed'.

The last Guild War ended, and then the Charr attacked Orr, Kryta and Ascalon.

And then the Searing and the Rise of the White Mantle happened, but I couldn't find which one of these two happened first.
One year later, in 1071, the Great Cataclysm happened in Arah, and in 1072 is when happens the Great Northern Wall mission.
By the time of the Great Cataclysm, the White Mantle were already in power.

I based that part of my post on some wiki entry:

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White Mantle banners adorn the Citadel despite only being formed during or shortly after the searing

I assume everyone that edits the wiki knows more than I do and that the wiki is always correct all the time forever. So, since some random person thought the Mantle banners were out of place in the arena, I concluded that people would also find Mantle costumes out of place in the city.

Anyways, I insist that lore isn't a good basis for a decision such as this; if most people want costumes, they shouldn't be withheld if they don't fit, but costumes also shouldn't be added just because they can if they do fit. Lore is irrelevant. My problem's with Ascalon turning into an flaming, winged craphole like Kamadan or GToB. I'm some or most people would like or not mind that, though.